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Sociocracy in NVC

2011-12-01T13:48:57Z

Jerry Koch-Gonzalez: Update n Sociocracy in NVC

Update December 2011:
The Board of CNVC is no longer using Sociocracy and has declined to use Sociocracy to organize the worldwide community of NVC Trainers. The Global Coordinating Committee/Circle (GCC) disbanded after the CNVC's Board decision. Many NVC Trainers and communities around the world continue to use Sociocracy locally, and the practice of Sociocracy continues to grow and spread worldwide. - Jerry Koch-Gonzalez

Outdated:
The international NVC movement has recently begun integrating principles of [http://www.sociocracy.biz/ Sociocracy] with NVC. Our [http://www.cnvc.org/sociocracy.htm CNVC organization] has begun using Sociocracy for Board/GCC meetings, and several regions of the world are creating Circles. This area on NVCwiki is for discussion of whether and how principles and techniques of Sociocracy might be added to NVC. Already there are many indications that this combination contributes toward more harmony and effectiveness in NVC groups and organizations. This wiki also has a [[Sociocratic Circle Area]] for Circles to collaborate, post minutes, etc.

==Circles==
The word "circle" is used in Sociocracy to describe a group of people using the sociocratic process as a strategy for ensuring everyone's needs are met. For groups forming or interested in creating or joining Circles, we invite you to participate in the [[Sociocratic Circle Area]] on this wiki.

==Updates from Sociocracy Consultant John Buck==
===2006 - September 25 Update===
'''Update on the GCC and development of sociocracy in the NVC community (as of September 25, 2006)'''
The Global Coordinating Committee (GCC) has taken on the functions of what was previously called the CNVC Board, while adding a broader mandate. The idea for creating a GCC grew out of a special working session held with Marshall and Valentina at their home in Albuquerque last March. Other persons attending that session were: Jori Manske, Jim Manske, Stefan Wisbauer, John Buck, and Barbara Larson. Unlike the former board, the GCC will include delegates proposed by the NVC community from different regions of the world so that it becomes a voice of the whole community. The following report summarizes progress to date in creating the GCC.

====Teleclasses====
John Buck, Mitch Henrion, and Glenda Mattinson (certified NVC trainer) are offering teleclasses on sociocracy as a way to get training out to the NVC community more rapidly and less expensively. Two prototype teleclasses were held during June and July. Based on the experience with those classes, Glenda completely revamped the class materials. New 6-session teleclasses start on October 17 and 26 and are being offered through www.growingcompassion.org.

====GCC & Sociocracy wiki pages====
John Wiley has set up areas entitled â€œ[[GCC Area]]â€ and [[Sociocratic Circle Area]] on the NVC Wiki for regional, area, or other circles to post their minutes and coordinate with each other.

====SEA/O Delegate====
Certified trainers in the South and Eastern Asia/Oceania region met by phone earlier this year and proposed Liz Gay as their delegate to the GCC. Liz has been serving on the GCC since June.

====Francophile Delegate====
Anne Bourritt, who was selected as a nominee to the Global Coordinating Council (GCC) from the Francophile region will be unable to participate on the GCC until 2007. An alternate nominee is being sought. The proposed alternate may be selected at a meeting in the Francophile region in September. Sociocratic consultant Gilles Charest will be supporting that meeting.

====ENACC Delegate & News====
Delegates selected by various local and area groups in North America met for the first time as the English-speaking North American Coordinating Council (ENACC) in August and proposed Jeff Brown as their delegate to the GCC. ENACC had its first meeting on Sunday, August 13. Jeff joined the GCC later in August. In its September 15 meeting ENACC selected a meeting facilitator, heard Jeff Brown's report, and began the process of assessing how it wants to develop itself. Some expressed concern that there was no opportunity to provide input about the format of the delegate selection process. One ENACC near term goal will be to develop a more inclusive selection process that ensures that participants will be better acquainted with each other.

UPDATE 6/25/07:

The ENACC disbanded in December 2006 and as far as I know has been inactive since that time.

-- Jeff Brown

====Eastern Europe Liaison====
At its September meeting the GCC invited Monica Reu to join it as liaison from Eastern Europe.

====Deutsch (German) Update====
Pieter van der Meche (sociocratic consultant from Netherlands) has been working with the German-speaking region to organize circles in preparation for selecting a delegate to the GCC - possibly at a regional meeting 4-5 October 2006. Per Marshall's request a project circle has been formed to coordinate his visit in 2007. Pieter is helping to incorporate this project circle into the circle structure that he has been helping to develop. Some voices in Germany have said that they do not think it is a good idea to select a delegate from Germany because it contributes to creating a hierarchy that they fear will start to accumulate power-over. Pieter is encouraging everyone to explore options. Jori Manske is planning to attend the October 2006 meeting.

====Scandinavia Update====
Annewiek Reijmer, (sociocratic consultant from the Netherlands) provided a training on sociocracy in Scandinavia, 16-17 September 2006. Jori Manske attended this meeting. The gathering selected Kirsten Kristensen as a proposed Scandanavian delegate to the GCC. She will not be able to attend the GCC face-to-face meeting October and will try to identify an alternate.

====British Isles Update====
Members of the NVC community in the British Isles are planning a training about sociocracy in Findhorn December 1-3. A number of NVC community members in that area have been meeting by phone and have discussed selecting a nominee to the GCC. The selection has been delayed due to concerns about inclusiveness. Mitch Henrion is supporting them.

====Costa Rica Update====
Juan Enrique Toro of Costa Rica is working to organize Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking members of the NVC community to select a nominee to the GCC.

====Middle East Exploration====
Jori has been working with the NVC community in the Middle East to explore their possible interest in further organizing.

====Africa Update====
Dunia Hategekimana, head of the NVC Africa project, and Mitch Henrion are planning a phone conversation about the possibility of forming a regional coordinating council for Africa and selecting a GCC nominee from that area.

====Circle Structure Development====
John Buck is assisting Jori Manske in building a structure of regional and local NVC circles. If you have questions, comments, or suggestions about this process, please send them to Louise Romain at louise.romain@wanadoo.fr. Louise will compile them and provide them to Jori, John, and the GCC.

===2006 - August 12 Update===
'''Update on implementation of sociocracy (August 2006)'''
All: Here is an update on implementation of Sociocracy as of August 12, 2006.

(1) Anne B, selected as a nominee to the Global Coordinating Council (GCC) from the Francophile region will be unable to participate on the GCC until 2007. An alternate nominee is being sought.

(2) John W set up an area entitled GCC Area has been set up on the NVC Wiki for regional, area, or other circles to post their minutes and coordinate with each other.

(3) Fifteen delegates to an as-yet-not-yet-met English-speaking North American Coordinating Council (ENACC) have been identified from around the U.S. and Canada. ENACC had its first meeting on Sunday, August 13. Jeff Brown was selected as as a nominee to the GCC.

(4) Pieter van der Meche (sociocratic consultant from Netherlands) has been working with the German-speaking region to organize circles in preparation for selecting a delegate to the GCC - possibly at the meeting 4-5 Octobe 2006. Per Marshall's request a project circle has been formed to coordinate his visit in 2007. Pieter is helping to incorporate this project circle into the circle structure that he has been helping to develop. One certified trainer in Germany and his wife have said that they do not think it is a good idea to select a delegate from Germany because it contributes to creating a hierarchy that they fear will start to accumulate power-over. Pieter is encouraging everyone to explore options. Jori is planning to attend the October 2006 meeting.

(5) Members of the NVC community in Eastern Europe have discussed the possibility of selecting a delegate to the GCC and a collective decision has been made to refrain from doing so at this time. Members are currently developing skill-sets (e.g. getting used to teleconferencing and/or sociocratic processes, finding ways to hook people who cannot afford international telephone charges into conference calls, etc.) that may allow participation in the future.

(6) A training is planned in Scandinavia 16-17 September 2006 that may result in selection of a delegate to the GCC. Jori will be attending this meeting.

(7) Members of the NVC community in the British Isles are planning a training about sociocracy in Findhorn in December. Several NVC community members have been meeting by phone and have discussed selecting a nominee to the GCC. The selection has been delayed due to concerns about inclusiveness.

(8) Juan Enrique Toro of Costa Rica has been working to organize Spanish and Portuguese speaking members of the NVC community to select a nominee to the GCC. I have not been contacted by anyone wishing to organize selection of a delegate to the GCC from other language/geographic areas: e.g., Middle East, Africa outside of the Francophone area.

(9) A Middle East Circle meeting is being planned for 26 August by teleconference. Jori will be attending.

(10) My associates and I are developing teleclasses on sociocracy as rapidly as possible as a way to get training out the to NVC community more rapidly and less expensively. Two prototype classes were held during June and July. Based on the experience with those classes, we plan to announce shortly the start up of new teleclasses in late September.
- John Buck (with additions by Jori)

===2006 - June Update===
[[Update on implementation of Sociocracy]] (June 2006)

== From the Representative for South & East Asia/Oceania - August 2006 ==

Members in the S&EA/O Circle (formally established in May 2006) request clarity around the Board's intention/not to implement a sociocratic system INSIDE the US-registered 501c3 legal entity.

Members will also enjoy hearing what support, if any, the Board/GCC might be willing to contribute to those geographical areas that have yet to uncover the technological or financial resources that would allow them to participate in a sociocratic system.

- Liz Gay

==From CNVC Executive Director - June 14, 2006==
I am very excited to share one of the ways we at CNVC are developing
opportunities for everyone who values NVC to be connected. Stronger
connections within the NVC network have the potential to enhance
significantly our ability to share NVC more widely, more quickly, and
with more fun through increased coordination of activities, mutual
support, and sharing of ideas and information. Through nonviolent
"power with" governance and a representational organizational
structure we hope to build connections which will increase the joy of
cooperation, and contribute more broadly.

On May 10, 2006 after a period of open comment in the network, the
CNVC Board approved the proposal to create a NVC Global Coordinating
Council (GCC), which will eventually include regional delegates from
all parts of the world, provide ongoing awareness of needs in the
network, and contribute to devising effective strategies to support
those needs being meet.

The current strategy is to form a GCC with initial delegates in the
next few months. The initial delegates will have relatively short
terms so that we can repeat the selection process later this year or
early next year with a more inclusive process. The initial delegates
will provide us with invaluable insights into what we need to
consider as we design a process that will eventually include every
person who would like to be involved. Liz Gay, selected from Asia
Pacific became the first delegate to the GCC in May, and Anne
Bourritt, has been nominated by the French-speaking region (including
participants from Canada). Organizing activities regarding selection
of GCC nominees are occurring in other language/geographic regions
as well.

The initial delegates will be helping to develop ways to include
individuals or groups who want to be involved (in selecting a
nominee) to notify us of their interest, perhaps through our website.

We hope to then to have a process for connecting those individuals
and groups with others in their geographical area (by telephone
perhaps, as will be attempted in North America) to select a nominee
from their local area.

A group of such local area reps will then select a representative for
a larger geographic area. That delegate will then be part of a group
selecting a delegate for an even larger geographic area. This process
will continue until there are about five to ten people from around the
world serving on the Global Coordinating Council.

To see more on CNVC organizational implementation of nonviolent
governance since February 2005 go to:
http://www.cnvc.org/sociocracy.htm and download attachment 3 in
English or German

For more information on sociocracy and nonviolent governance,
including organizational linking and decisions by mutual consent go to:
http://www.cnvc.org/sociocracy.htm and download attachment 4 in
English or German
and
http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html

In connection,<br>
Jori Manske<br>
Interim Director and Certified Trainer

==fr:Sociocratie en CNV==
[[fr:Sociocratie en CNV]]

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2006-07-24T18:35:33Z

Jerry Koch-Gonzalez: /* GCC Name Change Proposal */

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==GCC Name Change Proposal==
I am noticing that to my knowledge the whole NVC network does not have a name. Does GCC only represent itself or is it intended to represent the whole?
-Jerry Koch-Gonzalez 6:30, 14 July 2006
:My understanding is that a possible intent of the new emerging GCC is for it to represent everyone using NVC in the world who'd like to participate in a global organization. Since the GCC is still in an early formative stage, I don't believe any decisions about this have yet been made.

What name do you use for the whole network?
:This too seems to be not decided. I have proposed to the Board/GCC that we change our name to Global Circle for NonViolent Communication (GCNVC). What I'd like to then see is for the CNVC office to retain that name and for the U.S. non-profit corporation CNVC to change its name to something indicative of its role. Perhaps a name like U.S. Circle for NonViolent Communication (USCNVC). The role of that corporation might then be to oversee U.S. nonprofit status to facilitate collecting funds from donors who seek tax deductions. The funds could then be passed along to GCNVC for allocation to projects, probably with some funds earmarked for specific projects or uses.

How about the International Network for Compassionate Communication? That would be consistent with some of the US regional networks. (is there an ongoing debate between using Compassionate Communication vs Nonviolent Communication?)
:I prefer the name Compassionate Communication, but my impression is that it's already trademarked by another organization.

If the whole network had a name them you would not need to add anything to GCC. CNVC is the name of an organization. Its top circle is the Board of Directors (or BOD if we use initials). The GCC is a top circle. What is the name of the organization that it is a top circle of?
:All of this organizational structure and name discussion seems to be very much in flux right now. I appreciate your interest and suggestions, because my sense is that we are moving toward an organization with more participation from the whole international NVC community.
--[[User:Jw4nvc|John W.]] 20:03, 14 July 2006 (CEST)

I'd heard that Compassionate Communication was a CNVC service mark (SM). Is that not accurate? I'd love to move your "impression" that somenone else holds the trademark. Who does? I tried some online trademark search and did not find anything. And what implications does that have for the various USA NVC groups that already have been putting that phrase into their regional organizational titles? From my perspective the name that GCC chooses for itself or the network will have implications for everyone else if we are to have some standard recognizability across regions. So, yes I still like my suggestion(International Network for Compassionate Communication) and would like to know if it is legally ruled out. --Jerry Koch-Gonzalez 24 July 2006
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=Discussion of CNVC Board Area=

==Who? When?==

It would be very useful to me - and i imagine to others - if the board members and the dates of future meetings were listed, on the [[CNVC Board]] page or somewhere else appropriate. John Wiley (or anyone who is part of the group editing these pages) would you be willing to add these? --[[User:John Abbe|John Abbe]] 19:09, 22 June 2006 (CEST)

:The members are listed [http://cnvc.org/boardlst.aspx#board here], and I believe meeting info is currently posted to the [http://cnvc.org/egroups.htm#friends FriendsOfNVC] yahoo group a week or so before each month's conference call "meeting." I'm hoping that soon we'll be moving the yahoo groups to the new cnvc website now in development, and such a move would of course be announced there and probably also here on the wiki. -JW

==Page names==

I've noticed that you are using months without years, and in other ways very general names for some of the pages connected to the CNVC Board. This may become confusing as time goes by (imagine May or June next year, or a local group's board), and as there continue to be more groups using the wiki.
:I appreciate your interest, and your suggestions because I'm hopeful that we can continue the trend toward increasing use of the wiki. At the same time, I notice some dislike for the long text strings in full dating. Also, I prefer editing manually with JavaScript off, so it would involve more typing. I like that wiki automatically dates changes, and am hopeful that might meet your needs for having things dated. Where I'm guessing a date could be helpful, I'm willing to insert a date manually like this: 6/26/06. Would that work well for you?

Here are some suggested name changes that might be clearer (you can change the name of any page by clicking on the "move" link at the top of any page):

Agenda Process -> CNVC Board Agenda Process

Board Policies -> CNVC Board Policies

Criteria For CEO Selection -> Criteria For CNVC CEO Selection

June Agenda -> CNVC Board June 2006 Meeting

Proposed May Agenda -> CNVC Board May 2006 Meeting

--[[User:John Abbe|John Abbe]] 07:18, 9 June 2006 (CEST)

: I prefer short names for things, and would enjoy more clarity on what needs of yours would be met by using the longer names you suggest. Is it in case other pages someday link to these Board pages? My understanding is that right now only the Board section currently links to them, and that as our new cnvc.org website comes online we will at some point move this Board section to that site. Once there, I'm guessing we might edit and rearrange it.
: Also, it looks likely that we'll soon be changing the name CNVC to something more indicative of the GCC process we've begun. Thus I'm reluctant to add the CNVC title as you've suggested.
: In the hope that it might meet some of your needs, I've just moved the [[Board Meeting Agenda Process]] as you suggested, but without using CNVC.
: I welcome further dialog with you about this. I deeply appreciate your many contributions to this site, to the upcoming Oakland conference, and to the global NVC community. -JW

Thanks. I understand that you want short names, and that is also a consideration for me when crafting page names. I also consider specificity, for the sake of clarity. Here are five scenarios in which the suggestions i've made are relevant (and i'm entirely open to other strategies for providing users with clarity). You offered one - other pages might link to board pages (1). Also, already the pages appear in the Recent Changes listing - anyone loooking there will not know that "Board Meeting Agenda Process" refers to the CNVC Board (2). No other boards are yet using the wiki, but they could begin at any time (3), and other groups are already using the wiki to develop agendas (4). Even if the CNVC Board is no longer using this wiki by the time another board does, i imagine that modeling sufficient specificity in page names is a valuable contribution generally (5). Does this help you to understand my needs?
:I'm glad you've given this extra context. I'm getting more clarity on how naming is important in the evolutionary process of wiki building, having been more used to the structure of traditional websites and blogs. I see what you mean about how it will become more important as this wiki grows. Still, I'd like to wait another month because I'm hoping the "GCC/Board" will clarify the name. I'd prefer that to changing it again, or guessing at the consensus name and giving a misimpression that I'm attached to a particular outcome. Will it be comfortable for you to wait? -[[User:Jw4nvc|John W.]] 22:09, 18 July 2006 (CEST)

==Page dates==
As for dates, i want both clarity and inclusion. Americans and most of the rest of the world write months and day-of-month in different order - 6/26/06 vs. 26/6/06 - so, i'd still suggest June 26 2006 (or just June 2006 if it's a group that never meets more than once a month). The wiki dates changes, unfortunately that doesn't help someone who is only seeing the page name in the Recent Changes list, or in a link from another page. (I'm not clear about JavaScript's relevance, as i'm only referring to page names, not to dating our comments - which doesn't really matter to me much :). --[[User:John Abbe|John Abbe]] 01:23, 16 July 2006 (CEST)
:I agree about the dates too, and have re-dated some of the pages. I'll re-date others when I re-name them, and invite everyone else to follow your suggestions too. It would be great if the wiki had an option to do this sort of chronological dating automatically, because I'm guessing that some people (certainly me) might forget sometimes.

:In the hope it will make this dialog easier to read I've turned on my JavaScript just now to make it easier for me to sign this with my username and date. I can just click on the second-to-last icon on the toolbar at the top of this edit window, and it automatically inserts the <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> code for my signature with timestamp. --[[User:Jw4nvc|John W.]] 22:09, 18 July 2006 (CEST)

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2006-07-24T18:34:08Z

Jerry Koch-Gonzalez: /* GCC Name Change Proposal */

This area is for Public Discussion of the protected CNVC Board document drafting area. To comment on a specific item, click "article" above to return to the main Board page and click on the topic there that you wish to discuss. Each topic has a "Talk" area for public comment, which you access by clicking on "discussion" at the top of that page.

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==GCC Name Change Proposal==
I am noticing that to my knowledge the whole NVC network does not have a name. Does GCC only represent itself or is it intended to represent the whole?
-Jerry Koch-Gonzalez 6:30, 14 July 2006
:My understanding is that a possible intent of the new emerging GCC is for it to represent everyone using NVC in the world who'd like to participate in a global organization. Since the GCC is still in an early formative stage, I don't believe any decisions about this have yet been made.

What name do you use for the whole network?
:This too seems to be not decided. I have proposed to the Board/GCC that we change our name to Global Circle for NonViolent Communication (GCNVC). What I'd like to then see is for the CNVC office to retain that name and for the U.S. non-profit corporation CNVC to change its name to something indicative of its role. Perhaps a name like U.S. Circle for NonViolent Communication (USCNVC). The role of that corporation might then be to oversee U.S. nonprofit status to facilitate collecting funds from donors who seek tax deductions. The funds could then be passed along to GCNVC for allocation to projects, probably with some funds earmarked for specific projects or uses.

How about the International Network for Compassionate Communication? That would be consistent with some of the US regional networks. (is there an ongoing debate between using Compassionate Communication vs Nonviolent Communication?)
:I prefer the name Compassionate Communication, but my impression is that it's already trademarked by another organization.

If the whole network had a name them you would not need to add anything to GCC. CNVC is the name of an organization. Its top circle is the Board of Directors (or BOD if we use initials). The GCC is a top circle. What is the name of the organization that it is a top circle of?
:All of this organizational structure and name discussion seems to be very much in flux right now. I appreciate your interest and suggestions, because my sense is that we are moving toward an organization with more participation from the whole international NVC community.
--[[User:Jw4nvc|John W.]] 20:03, 14 July 2006 (CEST)

I'd heard that Compassionate Communication was a CNVC service mark (SM). Is that not accurate? I'd love to move your "impression" that somenone else holds the trademark. Who does? I tried some online trademark search and did not find anything. And what implications does that have for the various USA NVC groups that already have been putting that phrase into their regional organizational titles? From my perspective the name that GCC chooses for itself or the network will have implications for everyone else if we are to have some standard recognizability across regions. So, yes I still like my suggestion(International Network for Compassionate Communication) and would like to know if it is legally ruled out.
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=Discussion of CNVC Board Area=

==Who? When?==

It would be very useful to me - and i imagine to others - if the board members and the dates of future meetings were listed, on the [[CNVC Board]] page or somewhere else appropriate. John Wiley (or anyone who is part of the group editing these pages) would you be willing to add these? --[[User:John Abbe|John Abbe]] 19:09, 22 June 2006 (CEST)

:The members are listed [http://cnvc.org/boardlst.aspx#board here], and I believe meeting info is currently posted to the [http://cnvc.org/egroups.htm#friends FriendsOfNVC] yahoo group a week or so before each month's conference call "meeting." I'm hoping that soon we'll be moving the yahoo groups to the new cnvc website now in development, and such a move would of course be announced there and probably also here on the wiki. -JW

==Page names==

I've noticed that you are using months without years, and in other ways very general names for some of the pages connected to the CNVC Board. This may become confusing as time goes by (imagine May or June next year, or a local group's board), and as there continue to be more groups using the wiki.
:I appreciate your interest, and your suggestions because I'm hopeful that we can continue the trend toward increasing use of the wiki. At the same time, I notice some dislike for the long text strings in full dating. Also, I prefer editing manually with JavaScript off, so it would involve more typing. I like that wiki automatically dates changes, and am hopeful that might meet your needs for having things dated. Where I'm guessing a date could be helpful, I'm willing to insert a date manually like this: 6/26/06. Would that work well for you?

Here are some suggested name changes that might be clearer (you can change the name of any page by clicking on the "move" link at the top of any page):

Agenda Process -> CNVC Board Agenda Process

Board Policies -> CNVC Board Policies

Criteria For CEO Selection -> Criteria For CNVC CEO Selection

June Agenda -> CNVC Board June 2006 Meeting

Proposed May Agenda -> CNVC Board May 2006 Meeting

--[[User:John Abbe|John Abbe]] 07:18, 9 June 2006 (CEST)

: I prefer short names for things, and would enjoy more clarity on what needs of yours would be met by using the longer names you suggest. Is it in case other pages someday link to these Board pages? My understanding is that right now only the Board section currently links to them, and that as our new cnvc.org website comes online we will at some point move this Board section to that site. Once there, I'm guessing we might edit and rearrange it.
: Also, it looks likely that we'll soon be changing the name CNVC to something more indicative of the GCC process we've begun. Thus I'm reluctant to add the CNVC title as you've suggested.
: In the hope that it might meet some of your needs, I've just moved the [[Board Meeting Agenda Process]] as you suggested, but without using CNVC.
: I welcome further dialog with you about this. I deeply appreciate your many contributions to this site, to the upcoming Oakland conference, and to the global NVC community. -JW

Thanks. I understand that you want short names, and that is also a consideration for me when crafting page names. I also consider specificity, for the sake of clarity. Here are five scenarios in which the suggestions i've made are relevant (and i'm entirely open to other strategies for providing users with clarity). You offered one - other pages might link to board pages (1). Also, already the pages appear in the Recent Changes listing - anyone loooking there will not know that "Board Meeting Agenda Process" refers to the CNVC Board (2). No other boards are yet using the wiki, but they could begin at any time (3), and other groups are already using the wiki to develop agendas (4). Even if the CNVC Board is no longer using this wiki by the time another board does, i imagine that modeling sufficient specificity in page names is a valuable contribution generally (5). Does this help you to understand my needs?
:I'm glad you've given this extra context. I'm getting more clarity on how naming is important in the evolutionary process of wiki building, having been more used to the structure of traditional websites and blogs. I see what you mean about how it will become more important as this wiki grows. Still, I'd like to wait another month because I'm hoping the "GCC/Board" will clarify the name. I'd prefer that to changing it again, or guessing at the consensus name and giving a misimpression that I'm attached to a particular outcome. Will it be comfortable for you to wait? -[[User:Jw4nvc|John W.]] 22:09, 18 July 2006 (CEST)

==Page dates==
As for dates, i want both clarity and inclusion. Americans and most of the rest of the world write months and day-of-month in different order - 6/26/06 vs. 26/6/06 - so, i'd still suggest June 26 2006 (or just June 2006 if it's a group that never meets more than once a month). The wiki dates changes, unfortunately that doesn't help someone who is only seeing the page name in the Recent Changes list, or in a link from another page. (I'm not clear about JavaScript's relevance, as i'm only referring to page names, not to dating our comments - which doesn't really matter to me much :). --[[User:John Abbe|John Abbe]] 01:23, 16 July 2006 (CEST)
:I agree about the dates too, and have re-dated some of the pages. I'll re-date others when I re-name them, and invite everyone else to follow your suggestions too. It would be great if the wiki had an option to do this sort of chronological dating automatically, because I'm guessing that some people (certainly me) might forget sometimes.

:In the hope it will make this dialog easier to read I've turned on my JavaScript just now to make it easier for me to sign this with my username and date. I can just click on the second-to-last icon on the toolbar at the top of this edit window, and it automatically inserts the <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> code for my signature with timestamp. --[[User:Jw4nvc|John W.]] 22:09, 18 July 2006 (CEST)

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2006-07-14T10:31:57Z

Jerry Koch-Gonzalez:

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2006-07-14T10:28:26Z

Jerry Koch-Gonzalez: on GCC Name Change Proposal

Talk:Sociocracy in NVC

2006-06-15T16:08:59Z

Jerry Koch-Gonzalez: network or oganization and personal $ impact

The big issue in my mind: what is NVC as an organization? Is is a loose network of consultants seeking right livelylhood? Or is it a tighly structured revolutionary organization? The way I see it:in the current loose structure of NVC, the ground is most fertile for independent entrepenurial consultants. I wear that hat, and I am eager to figure out how to make a living training in NVC, and I notice my anxiety about competition and turf. I think sociocracy will support more NVC's evolution as a formal organization, supporting interdepence. As a social change agent I am eager for that! NVC and sociocracy seem to be a great pairing for contributing to justice, equality, sustainability, and joy. And I feel anxious - where will I fit in? I am not a member of an NVC that is an enterprise that can guarantee me a living wage. The focus so far has been on the Global Coordinating Committee, but I foresee that the biggest impact of sociocracy is on the grassroots and the layers in between. Already sociocracy is lending a sense of identity and belonging to newly forming sociocratic NVC cirles where previously there was no organizational structure context. And my biggest personal question is how I can meet my needs for financial security in the changing context of NVC.